English :)

Тема в разделе "English Board", создана пользователем Леонид, 20 апр 2004.

  1. Леонид

    Леонид New Member

    Good evening, dear friends. I sincerely hope that Admin of this forum will agree to give his generous permission to dedicate this page to particular detalis of English, that are important for those who already have a good command of this language, but sometimes encounter specific peculiarities that raise difficulties.

    Efficiency and effectiveness. Which of these words corresponds to the Russian "эффективность", and which - "действенность"? Explanations to both are given below.

    I won't object if you remove this topic; I acknowledge that it a bit dissonates.

    Excuse me for prolonged non-responding to the messages addressed to me in Bulgarian and Polish sections; but I'm currently infernally busy.

    Thanx.
     
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  3. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    2u2!

    Well, first of all, am I considered the one who decides what to talk about and gives permissions on some subjects and objects to the others? :roll: If so, I should revise my strategy, that's not whom I wanted to be... :?
    Second, permission granted. :wink:

    No way! Why should we...?

    Can you explain why you think so?

    I'm not sure I understand the difference between those two Russian words. It seems that you, Leonid, also don't, for if you see the explanation, in what the English words differ, you should be able to attach them to the corresponding Russian ones, if it is possible at all (I don't actually understand why you need it...), because, you see, I'm definitely against translating from one language to another, for I think we lose much of the meaning by doing that, it is enough to understand the English words, unless you plan to be a real-time translator :)
    Neither do I see a clear difference in English. If someone has an idea, please share.
     
  4. andrewsiak

    andrewsiak New Member

    I read somewhere that "the war in Afghanistan was effective but not efficient".
     
  5. Digamma

    Digamma New Member

    Evening!

    Well, I think Webster is the only thing we need here... :)

    It's clear from here that Efficiency is rather measure: even second meaning refers to "quality of being producing". Thus "действенность" is Effectiveness and "эффективность" should be translated as Efficience.
     
  6. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    Cool, this is really a good example, it makes everything transparent. Interesting, how should we actually translate this sentence?
     
  7. Digamma

    Digamma New Member

    Maybe "война в Афганистане была результативной, но не эффективной". It's just an idea, nothing more... :)

    BTW, will you give to Lovermann permissions to write here in Esperanto? ;)
     
  8. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    Honestly, just yesterday I thought to open two new threads here - English and Esperanto. Is there some new device for reading thoughts via internet? 8)

    P.S. I'll be glad to hear corrections, if someone sees mistakes in my posts, and if someone wants to be corrected too, state that please :)
     
  9. Digamma

    Digamma New Member

    Yep. A head. It's completely new device for me. ;)

    FYI, I mean not to open new topic for Lovermann, but to allow him to post here in Esperanto - I can rememeber his mood about English. :) (joke!)
     
  10. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    What's this abbreviation?

    Yes, over my dead body. :p
     
  11. Digamma

    Digamma New Member

    For Your Information.


    Another abbreviation used quite often is ASAP (As Soon As Possible).
    And IMHO too. :)
     
  12. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    Yeah, this one I know. I was taught it in highschool, because it is formal, as opposed to the other ones, which are used often, but informally. I like most AFAIK and IMHO, among those.
     
  13. Digamma

    Digamma New Member

    FYI, AFAIK ASAP is MRU (IMHO). ;) ;) ;)

    NB! MRU = most-recently used
     
  14. Roman

    Roman New Member

    I thought I knew English in all of its forms very well, by the same token I have never encountered an abbreviation I would not understand. Till today... Can anyone shed some light into my dark head and explain what a heck "AFAIK" means?

    BTW, I have some really often used to quote: BYOB. Does anyone know what it stands for? :lol:
     
  15. Digamma

    Digamma New Member

    AFAIK means "as far as I know".

    AFAIK ;), BYOB is YABA meaning "bring your own booze/bottle/beer" (depending on taste :)).

    BTW, YABA = "yet another bloody acronim". ;)
     
  16. Физик

    Физик New Member

    AFAIK :))) it stands for Bring Your Own Bottle - accompanying postscript to invitation cards. Kinda У нас с собой было.
    FYI: If you are interested in acronyms, there are two sites 4U:
    http://www.acronymfinder.com
    and http://sokr.ru.
    In addition to ASAP, acronyms like FYI are RSVP quite formal as well.
     
  17. Физик

    Физик New Member

    Pardon, I hadn't seen F's post when I typed mine.
     
  18. Lida

    Lida New Member

    OK. Now I know why there is no-one in the Polish section :)
    I'd like to join you sometimes in here as well.
    Good luck, folks !
     
  19. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    Why? :) I think the Polish thread is dead since Tvid ceased to frequent this forum. :lol:

    Welcome! :)

    Thanks!
     
  20. Леонид

    Леонид New Member

    No, you are absolutely wrong. I'd participate in the Polish forum with great pleasure, if I had time. But due to lack of time everything I can afford now is only to read what others write, as a brief rest, but not to engage into conversations. But I'll be back to Polish and other topics later.
     
  21. RawonaM

    RawonaM New Member

    I can't be wrong here, I just stated a fact :) I hope you'll help to revive that thread.